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EDH Banned List September 2012

September 27, 2012 by  
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That awkward moment . . . . . .

New Banned cards:

Kokusho, the Evening Star is Unbanned
however….
Kokusho, the Evening Star is banned as Commander

Well… well….

When I first see the Primeval Titan get the axe. I can’t help it but laugh. Sorry about it for those players who went all out to own it.

In this blog post, I will try to find out are they worth the banned or otherwise, especially Primeval Titan.
Next, I will discuss Kokusho, what advantage it provides and what its limitation.

 

Primeval Titan has fallen

The Primeval had joined the Sundering….

Now, is Primeval Titan over powered? Six casting cost with double green with 2 extra lands when it hits the field and with a body of 6/6 and trample. Gives another 2 lands when it able to survive the next turn or if you give it haste. It is undeniable; this creature can provide very solid card advantage.

Since I have been tinkering on some probability, let me try to provide some probability point of view.

When Titan enters the battlefield, the quality of next draw has increased by at least 2.17%. What I mean quality of next draw is a non-land card or at very least, cards that you prefer to see. Of course the land you prefer may have been put into play by Titan, but still, there is always cards you prefer to draw into. This table helps you in that part:

Cards left in deck

Quality of next draw

92

2.17391%

90

2.22222%

88

2.27273%

86

2.32558%

84

2.38095%

82

2.43902%

80

2.50000%

78

2.56410%

76

2.63158%

74

2.70270%

72

2.77778%

70

2.85714%

68

2.94118%

66

3.03030%

64

3.12500%

62

3.22581%

60

3.33333%

58

3.44828%

56

3.57143%

54

3.70370%

52

3.84615%

50

4.00000%

48

4.16667%

46

4.34783%

44

4.54545%

42

4.76190%

40

5.00000%

38

5.26316%

36

5.55556%

34

5.88235%

32

6.25000%

30

6.66667%

28

7.14286%

26

7.69231%

24

8.33333%

22

9.09091%

20

10.00000%

18

11.11111%

16

12.50000%

14

14.28571%

12

16.66667%

 

So, basically, Titan filters your decks each time it comes into play and attacks. And the next card that you draw next is what you prefer to see, increased by, at the Bare Minimum, 2.17%.

So… what are we comparing with? What are the next best Ramping engines? Journeyer’s Kite? Land Tax? Thawing Glaciers? Weathered Wayfarer?

Although they don’t provide a straight 2 lands advantage. These cards have 1 distinct advantage which Titan can’t do it alone, that is enter early and develop other game ending cards for you.
And Titan is one of them.

Titan does give another advantage: when it dies, your advantage still stays, which is the 2 lands and your deck being thinner. You still can dish out other powerful plays if you have cards in hand.

For a six casting creature, and in compare with other creatures and spells in mono green. Titan gives the most bang for the buck.

But is it worth the banned?

I still wish Titan still stay in EDH. Personally, it doesn’t make the game in the situation that other players can’t handle. Neither does it make other players feel terrible like Land destruction decks or counter-everything decks. Hahaha!

Maybe, one day, Primeval Titan will make a comeback?

 

Kokusho, the Evening Star Rises

Joined the army but Forever no promotion to Commander.

While the committee has issues with players having extremely well card advantage cards. Kokusho, the Evening Star, which reduce the life across the opponents board, they have no issues with it.

5 lives out of 40 lives, which is 12.5% across the board.

Now, why did it get unbanned? Based on their explanation, 2 things have happened:

  • More graveyard hate.
  • More powerful creatures.

If there is more graveyard hate, they are not worrying about a very constant recurring Kokusho. Kokusho’s die effect may trigger just 2 or 3 times and the other players may be forced to exile it through all kinds of means.

If there are more powerful creatures available, who can they be?
Well… after doing a small search. Here are some available candidates:

The list isn’t long, but because these are a few creatures that has attacking power and you have no issues when it dies. They are the few creatures that give you a certain advantage when they are successful enter the battlefield.

Of course there are other spells and creatures that worth the six casting cost in mono black. But these are 2 examples that almost fit in the ‘card advantage’ section.

Another avenue that one of my friends, Edward, pointed out is Kokusho provides extremely well is life gaining. Life, oh well… it is another form of resource and defense. Black has a lot of card drawing, strong spells like Promise of Power and Reanimate, which required life to fuel them. I do agree it is a resource that more the better, however, I personally feel that it isn’t the key factor in determine the game is decided on. I personally feel that, like all games, is decided if the player has gain a vantage position, in terms of time, virtual or card advantage.

Just by itself, Kokusho isn’t broken. It still needs cards to give combination and recurring effects to make it a truly powerful.

 

WorldFire: Sorry Dude… No Love for You…

 

I have to admit, this is one of the cards that you don’t wish to open in your booster pack.

Sadly in EDH, crap rares usually find their home there and shine.

However… I have only 1 way to express my feelings for Worldfire

“R&R brought me to heaven, then the EDH committee kicked me down to hell”
Worldfire —

 

Have fun gentlemen.

Latest Update:-

  • The following is the new updated official banned list for EDH games. These cards (and others like them) should not be played in the game unless all players agree with it.

Additionally the following legends may not be used as a General:

 

Your humility

Manferd

Comments

5 Responses to “EDH Banned List September 2012”
  1. Patrik says:

    Worldfire useless? If your opponent is playing Oblivion Ring or Detention Sphere, it’s an auto-win!

    Your opponent detains your creature. On your turn, you use worldfire to obliterate everything – and then your creature is returned when OR/DS is destroyed. Then, all you have to do is to use your creatures to finish your opponent that now has nothing to protect himself with…

    Yes, it’s not a terribly useful counter – but if you know your opponent will be playing those two cards it can be effective.

    • admin says:

      Hi Patrik,
      Thanks for replying, I agree it is useful. I am aware of this combo. However, it is banned in EDH. I am not sure what deck uses it competitively in other formats. But I believe it is used in casual decks, be it legacy or standard.

      EDH is one of the casual formats that allow players to play high casting cost spells comfortably, where other competitive formats are seriously looking into cost effectiveness. Those cost effectiveness cards are extremely highly prized and costly, but gave players an edge in terms of tempo and card advantage.

      It is a game winning effect and for 9cc, any players able to cast it should deserve to win. But the Commander committee doesn’t agree. They worried the game experience will be too ‘unfun’ for players. So they banned this card. It is actually helpful, because EDH does affect the secondary market, and banning it now will prevent it from rising in price.

  2. I actually agree with most things that they ban but I don’t exactly agree with Primeval Titan being banned there are a lot of green acceleration creatures. Yes Primeval Titan is good but it doesn’t ruin the game or anything like Terastodon destroying opponents lands coming into play.

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